Off The Vine Volume 3, Number 2. "A Poor First Impression", by Craig

This is a rare picture of my grandfather, Walter Gibbs, taken in his youth. He is the person who best inspired the love of gardening in me. This pic is probably from the early 1920s

Here is a short little article I contributed discussing some tomato disappointments. I will comment after the article on whether I feel the same way today!

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A Poor First Impression

by Craig

I have grown many tomatoes in my gardens since 1986. Most of them were open pollinated, and most of those were heirlooms. The grocery store tomatoes of winter catch a lot of criticism (rightfully so, I will add), but does that mean that every tomato that is grown in gardens is a winner?  Absolutely not! In fact, if I was to think about all the tomatoes that I have tasted, and tested,  over the years, quite a few fit into the middle of the road. There are a couple of dozen or so shining stars, tomatoes that will be in my garden every year, forever. The flipside, of course, are those tomatoes that I would not grow again; well, I cannot say never, because some varieties are finicky about geographic preference and weather. Or, maybe I was unlucky enough to get a plant that came from crossed seed? The problem is, though, that with so many options available (just look at the number of listings in the Seed Saver’s Exchange Winter Annual!), there are not a lot of opportunities for second chances.

Here is a story of unfortunate tomatoes that were not a hit in my garden. These are the losers, the tomatoes that tend to rot on the vine because no one wants to put the effort into picking them! If any of the readers has had a very different, very positive experience with any of these, please write to us and tell us about it. Who knows, maybe I will be persuaded to give them another try!

Starting with red, or scarlet colored, tomatoes, two varieties come to mind as being particularly horrendous! I was sent seeds for Muchamiel by J. D. Green (of Cherokee Purple fame) a few years ago, and had a devil of a time getting any of the seeds to germinate. Finally, after doing the microwave/nitrate soak routine, I was rewarded with a healthy seedling. In retrospect, it would have been better if the seed was dead. The tomatoes that grew on the plant were cracked, hollow, and had a very tough skin, as well as a poor flavor. Last year I grew Heterosis, which I obtained from the USDA collection. Halitosis would have been more appropriate, since the tomatoes really stunk! They actually looked like a smaller version of the dreaded Muchamiel. My experience with Jung’s Wayahead was actually way behind my expectations. Bellstar, touted as a Roma type of larger size, would make a good substitute for a baseball, being hard and flavorless, and perhaps, dangerous! One year Burpee sent me a free sample of a new cherry tomato called Baxter. If Bellstar were a baseball substitute, Baxter would be the golf ball substitute, being hard and without any noticeable flavor. Other reds that were not memorable in any way were Sasha’s Altai, Perestroika, Oregon Spring, Wayahead, and the old commercial varieties Essex Wonder, Excelsior, Early Ruby, and Beauty of Lorraine. Finally, I found Cuostralee to be very disappointing with yield or flavor. Many seem to like it, so perhaps it was a bad year for it.

Moving on to the pink tomatoes, I find that some of the heart shaped varieties are just not juicy or sweet enough to make them worth growing. In this category are Wolford Wonder and Dinner Plate. Beefsteak types that suffer from the same texture and flavor problem are Sabre, Una Hartsock’s, Magellan Burgess Purple, and Frank Williams.  They look great, but do not deliver on the palate. The old favorite Ponderosa really struggled in my garden, with very low yield, weird shapes, and an off flavor. Another well-liked tomato, Grushovka, did nothing for me as well, being dry and hard in my garden.

As for the rest, I cannot decide why Banana Legs is so popular. I found it to be very tough skinned and bland. Verna Orange, a large gold heart shaped tomato, was very successful in Pennsylvania, but has been terrible in North Carolina. It has a lot of hollow spaces, and is very dry here. Elberta Girl wins my award for the prettiest awful tomato. The foliage is a beautiful silvery, fuzzy green and the fruits are red with gold stripes. This is, however, the hardest tomato I have ever grown, and actually would hurt someone if it were thrown at them. Oh yes, the flavor is not very good either! It is a good candidate for the flower garden, actually, as it is a better ornamental than edible.

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This really just scratches the surface, but at least gives you a good idea on what I do not like in a tomato! But, your favorite may be somewhere in this list. And my favorite may be on your list of never-again-in-my -garden! Isn’t gardening fun! After reading the varieties I didn’t speak kindly about, I was likely too tough on Cuostralee (it just may not have liked my garden conditions - a friend, Lee, calls it his favorite) and Verna Orange (if not the greatest for fresh eating, it would make a great sauce tomato).

Here is my dad, Wilfred, in his boy scout uniform - this is probably from the mid 1930s. He is the other main influence on my love of gardening.

My tomato collection tour, part 26. Tomatoes #476 to #500

Sue kayaking at Ocracoke Island at sunset in 2010.

We made it to #500 - this is a great set of tomatoes, including some key varieties from Carolyn Male, as well as the first releases from High Altitude. 500 is a nice round number - I think I’ll pause this series (which is a lot of fun and provides great memories) and pick it back up early in 2023.

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Tomato #476 - Nepal - the seed source for this was Heirloom Seeds in 1991. I never did grow this version - Nepal was extensively discussed as tomato #31 in this blog series.

Tomato #477 - Soldacki - Carolyn Male sent me seeds for this family heirloom in 1991. I am sure that she wrote about it in her book - it is supposedly a Polish family heirloom originally from Krakow Poland, who came to Cleveland Ohio in 1900. This was one of Carolyn’s favorite tomatoes. I grew it in 1991 - my description is of a smooth large pink oblate tomato on an indeterminate plant with potato leaf foliage - the flavor was excellent.

Tomato #478 - Parker Hatlee - this was also sent to me by Carolyn in 1991. Appears to be an Italian heirloom from Parker Hatlee to Carolyn. I grew it in 1991 and found a long, red paste type similar to Opalka and Gallo Plum.

Tomato #479 - Opalka - This is one of Carolyn’s best obtained heirlooms, given to her by co-worker Carl Swidorski - it originated in Poland. I actually got to meet a family member, Chet Opalka, interviewing for a job in Albany many years ago! It is probably the best of the long scarlet plum tomatoes that look more like a frying pepper. It is quite delicious for a paste type, and very productive, growing on an indeterminate regular leaf plant with very wispy foliage.

Tomato #480 - Cancer - This is one of the Branscomb varieties that he sent to me and I sent to Carolyn - she grew it out. It is listed in the SSE - all I’ve got for info is that it is pink.

Tomato #481 - Anna Russian - This sample is from Carolyn Male, sent in 1991. I didn’t grow out the seed she saved from what I sent her - the variety is described in full earlier in my seed sample review.

Tomato #482 - Tiny Tim - this was from Ted Telsch in 1991. This 1945 New Hampshire bred variety is one of the first micro dwarf types - a red cherry on a very short plant. I never grew this from the Telsch seed sample.

Tomato #483 - Row Pac - this is also from Ted Telsch in 1991. All I know is that it ended up in the SSE yearbook in the 1980s. I know nothing about it.

Tomato #484 - Rutgers - sent to me by Ted Telsch in 1991. I didn’t grow this from the Telsch sample - it is historically important, produced by crossing Marglobe with JTD and selecting for medium red fruit of high quality.

Tomato #485 - San Marzano - also from Ted Telsch in 1991. I didn’t grow this, but it is the classic Italian indeterminate paste tomato.

Tomato #486 - McClintock - from SSE member MT EV J in 1991. I did grow it in 1991 and found the medium sized red tomatoes on an indeterminate plant to be quite good. It was developed by Edith McClintock in Montana in the late 1960s.

Tomato #487 - Landry’s Russian - also from SSE member MT EV J in 1991. I described this variety earlier - it is a Canadian variety bred for earliness with medium red fruit on indeterminate plants. I never grew it.

Tomato #488 - Carnival - sent to me by Barney Laman in 1991. It appears to be an older commercial variety that has medium red fruit. I never did grow it.

Tomato #489 - Jackpot - also from Barney Laman in 1991, I assume this to be a red commercial variety - perhaps even a hybrid. I never grew it.

Tomato #490 - Springset - from Ted Telsch in 1991, I assume this to be a red commercial variety. I never did grow it and can find nothing about it.

Tomato #491 - Glasnost - here begins the start of a series of acquisitions from the new High Altitude Seed company of Bill McDormand, which I believe is now known as Seeds Trust. This is another of such releases with an apparent identity or stability problem. This was supposed to be quite large and delicious, but my trial showed an indeterminate plant with medium red, firm, bland tomatoes.

Tomato #492 - Perestroika - Yup - a 1991 High Altitude release from Siberia - it is described as a medium or larger tomato but my trial showed an indeterminate plant with small, seedy red fruit that didn’t taste particularly good. There clearly are some stability issues with this one.

Tomato #493 - Gregori’s Altai - this is my favorite of the 1991 High Altitude releases. From the Altai region, it is an indeterminate plant that bears medium to large pink fruit quite early in the season. The flavor is particularly sweet. I must give it a try again soon.

Tomato #494 - DeBarrao - There is an additional spelling of this - De Barao - but it seems to be the same tomato, acquired from 1991 from High Altitude. It is a typical red determinate paste type - prolific, but not great eating qualities to my palate.

Tomato #495 - Mikarda Sweet - here is a High Altitude 1991 introduction that I actually like quite a lot. It is an indeterminate, wispy leaf variety with medium sized long pink paste fruit, quite firm, but quite sweet as well. There is no further historical info. Victory seeds sells it, thanks to me!

Tomato #496 - Galina - a High Altitude 1991 introduction, this unique variety is a potato leaf indeterminate bright yellow cherry with very good flavor. Aside from its Siberian origin, there isn’t much additional background info. It is one of the better High Altitude tomatoes.

Tomato #497 - Grandpa’s Cock’s Plume - another High Altitude 1991 intro from Siberia, this one did quite well for me. It was a spindly indeterminate plant with large pink hearts that had a typically sweet, mild flavor. Recent listings show that it may no longer be stable.

Tomato #498 - Grushovka - a High Altitude 1991 introduction, this grew for me as a determinate variety with medium small pink egg shaped tomatoes with a very bland flavor. No extensive history except it is from the former USSR - and is another overrated introduction.

Tomato #499 - Sasha’s Altai - another of the initial set of Siberian tomatoes introduced by High Altitude in 1991. The story on this one is that it was collected in Itkutsk from a woman named Sasha who claimed it to be the best tomato in Siberia. I grew it in 1991 - it seemed to be a short indeterminate tomato providing small oblate red tomatoes with average flavor at best. Much ado about nothing for this one.

Tomato #500 - Hunt Family Favorite - sent to me by SSE member MI RA R in 1991 - I’ve discussed this several times in my collection. This particular sample gave me a medium to large oblate red with good flavor - nice, but not the pink tomato I hoped for.

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There are two sets of important tomatoes here - a few from Carolyn, and the new releases from High Altitude Seeds. Soldacki and Opalka are the most distinct and interesting from the first set. Gregori’s Altai, Mikarda Sweet, Galina, Grandpa’s Cock’s Plume and Grushovka are the best of the latter grouping.

Here ends the first part of my tomato collection review - the first 500 varieties, which takes me deep into 1991 acquisitions. I probably won’t carry this through for every tomato going forward (starting in early 2023), but will likely select the most important or interesting ones to focus on for future blogs.

Sue kayaking at Ocracoke surrounded by cormorants in 2010

Off The Vine Volume 3, Number 2. "Be Careful What You Say...and How You Say It" by Craig

Colors - now in DuPont Forest, seen on an Oct 28 hike to Lake Julia

It is interesting to ponder that the run of Off The Vine also coincided with the use of the Internet as an effective (sometimes!) communications tool. We know where we are now - but this is an interesting peek at where we were then.

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Be Careful What You Say...and How You Say It!

by Craig

The Internet is a powerful communication tool. Just recently I discovered the garden message board of America Online. Located in that area is a folder named “tomato”, and, of course, I could not resist checking it out. Sure enough, there are numerous messages from gardeners all over the United States discussing every aspect of selecting, growing and eating tomatoes. Perhaps 10 years ago the message board would have been quite different from today due to the lack of selection available to home gardeners. Hybrids were extremely popular back then, being the relatively “new thing”. And, to be fair, they were indeed better than the open pollinated tomatoes that were commonly available then, such as Fireball, New Yorker, Bonny Best, Rutgers and Marglobe. So, I am sure the discussion would have centered around how people’s Big Boy, Better Boy and Whopper tomatoes were doing in their garden.

Since the mid 1980’s, and the efforts of seed preservation organizations such as the Seed Saver’s Exchange, the variety of open pollinated tomatoes has exploded. The majority are family heirlooms that have found their way into the collection. Availability to the general gardening public has also increased due to the efforts of open minded, forward thinking (in a way, backward thinking!) seed companies such as Southern Exposure Seed Exchange, Johnny’s Selected Seeds, Seeds Blum and Tomato Growers’ Supply Company. I even noticed some 6 paks of heirloom tomato plants at some local gardening centers this spring.

The results of all of these choices are evident when reading the posts in the tomato folder of the AOL gardening message center. People are trying and talking about heirlooms with nearly the same frequency as hybrids. Over the past 10 years, Carolyn and me have gained much first hand knowledge about heirloom tomatoes, having trialed perhaps as many as 800 between the two of us. We also have done extensive reading on the subject, digesting old seed catalogs, gardening books, and other publications that give a glimpse of the gardening past of the United States. We have been freely sharing our knowledge on the message board, giving advice when requested, pointing people in the right direction for further experimentation, and generally serving as heirloom tomato resources.

A month or so ago, an heirloom novice who was trying a couple of varieties for the first time sent a message that asked whether the heirlooms are best used for cooking or canning. The person did not state which varieties they were growing, so it was not possible to make a specific comment. I did send a response that suggested that among the heirlooms are some of the best tasting tomatoes available, with fresh eating the clearest indication of the quality. My follow up comment was that it is many of the hybrids, developed for disease resistance and shipability, that are probably best used for processing or cooking. I also made the unfortunate choice of connecting hybrids with the term “commercial variety”.

The response to this posting from another on line gardener was remarkable in its vitriol! Sent in all capital letters, it completely disputed my claims, called me (and aimed at Carolyn by inference) essentially self serving and “humbug”, and indicated that we heirloom enthusiasts are brainwashing the gardening public away from hybrids for our own personal gain. Of course, I sent a response that I will not detail in this article, which caused escalation of the matter. All is now peaceful, as Carolyn sent a long retort that smoothed the situation, essentially requesting room for all opinions, which is how it should be.

The exchange was enlightening to me for a number of reasons. People in general seem to become very passionate about their specific gardening likes and dislikes, and take it personally when something that they value does not translate to others. I confess that when Carolyn states her relative dislike for Brandywine or Cherokee Purple (two of my favorite tomatoes), my first reaction is that she has one heck of a nerve criticizing my favorites! My second reaction is that she must have different strains, that they have crossed and she has not experienced the flavors that I have. What it really comes down to, however, is that taste is truly a personal parameter, and her senses just do not process those two tomatoes with the same favor that mine do. Goodness knows, there are plenty of tomatoes that she enjoys that I have found ordinary, and I will be willing to bet that she has the same complex responses to this information as I do.

The value of variety is that with such a wide choice, everyone should be able to find their gardening favorites. Obviously, I struck a nerve with the AOL hybrid supporter. Perhaps my love of heirloom tomatoes has somewhat blinded me to their shortcomings, of which there are plenty. Maybe I should grow a Better Boy or Whopper next year and see if my memory no longer serves me accurately. But, I must also remember that gustatory pleasure is not the only reason for growing heirloom tomatoes. Carolyn and I had an interesting phone conversation this morning, and we were discussing these issues. It came to me that Big Boy (which is the favorite variety of the militant hybrid lover) is the result of a simple cross between two tomatoes. Carolyn has discovered that one of the parents is a very fine heirloom tomato (she has talked to its creator). Long ago, in the days of the Livingston Seed Company heyday, tomatoes were developed from observing chance mutations or crosses in large fields of single varieties of tomatoes. A bit later, new tomatoes came from selections from specific crosses. That is how Rutgers and Marglobe came into being. Marglobe originated in a cross between a perfectly round pink tomato, Livingston’s Globe, and a disease resistant red tomato, Marvel. The F1 generation was grown (it is not listed anywhere what it looked like, but it can be assumed to be a round, red tomato with disease resistance), seed saved, and a large number of the F2 generation grown the following year. Both pink and red tomatoes showed up in the second generation. The red tomato was saved, future generations selected and grown for a number of years until a stable, open pollinated representative was named and released as Marglobe.

Somewhere along the line it was recognized that it would be far more profitable for a seed company to create the hybrid, keep its parents secret and sell the hybrid seed. It would fetch a higher price due to the labor involved in doing the crosses. It would also cause the gardening public to return to the seed company each year to purchase the hybrid seed, since saved seed would segregate and not grow true to type. If this realization would not have occurred, then Burpee would have taken their new tomato, Big Boy, and, instead of releasing the hybrid (in 1949), spent time growing out seed saved from the hybrid and creating an open pollinated version that would essentially be just like Big Boy, and allow the gardener to save seed and regrow it each year. As you have probably realized, this is exactly what we can all do in our gardens, however. It takes time and effort, but it is not impossible to take a hybrid tomato that we like and, within a few years, create an open pollinated approximation of it. We can also give it a name, since it is in fact a new tomato, created with our specifications in mind. No two people would probably select for the same traits, since, as I said above, taste is a very individual thing!

So, where are we after this long discussion? My opinion is that those who love hybrids and do not favor heirlooms are entitled to think this way, just as those of us who favor heirlooms are perfectly justified to hold this opinion. There really is not a whole lot of difference between the two, however. It just could be that the heirloom that creates such loathing in the garden is the mother or father of your favorite hybrid!

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My comments on this? I completely forgot the vitriolic exchange, so it is interesting to read about how my love of heirlooms offended a lover of hybrids. We’ve come a long, long way since the early days of garden discussions on the internet, that’s for sure!

More DuPont color

Off The Vine Volume 3, Number 2. "The Deluge of Summer 1996" by Carolyn

Sue and Koda with our daughter Sara hiking in DuPont Forest, October 21.

Carolyn had some challenges in 1996, due to lots of rain. She also discussed her impressions on various tomatoes, as usual - read on and enjoy!

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The Deluge of Summer 1996

Carolyn Male

I almost had polliwogs in the tomato field ponds!  While it’s true that this was the first summer I didn’t have to water, it is also undoubtedly the worse summer for growing tomatoes that I have ever experienced!  I trialed about 60 varieties for other folks and with my new ones and ones planted to replenish seed stocks I had about 200 varieties this summer.  Knowing that, I cut way back on peppers and eggplant.  Yes, I did grow my 150 feet of various melons, and ate not a one!  Looks like I’m on a roll…four years with nothing to eat off those melons.  They all went down with various diseases!  The best development was the effectiveness of a new pesticide called Admire, which is not generally available to the public.  My farmer friend Charlie shared with me!  With only one application I had no, I repeat, no Colorado Potato Beetles for the entire summer.  Surely resistance will appear, it always does, but for one summer I was free of those orange and black devils!  So I was bug free, but the summer was very overcast and it took forever for the tomatoes to ripen.  I started back teaching around September 1, and at that time I had saved very little seed.  This is also the first year that I did not save seed from all of my new varieties.  I’ve decided to save seed from only those varieties which have some redeeming virtues, which leaves many of them out there to die peacefully, with no hopes of further propagation.  Also, while I probably will have my gardens this summer (sale of my mom’s house/land is a factor), I am going to cut back drastically.  I simply cannot take care of, and process seed, at the rate that I have been in the past.  I hope younger members of the SSE will take up the slack.

Let me highlight the best of the new varieties that were trialed, starting with the pink types.  Taps was the best of the lot.  It’s a huge potato leaf beefsteak with great taste.  Pink Ice is a very good salad tomato…early and grew in clusters…a bit larger than a cherry tomato.  I also liked Fandango, a big pink beefsteak, Brianna, another large pink, and Orenberg Giant, which wasn’t, but had a great taste even though it had bad concentric cracking.  There were a few notable new red varieties.  Reisetomate was not doubt the weirdest tomato I’ve ever grown.  It has 20-30 fleshy protuberances all over the surface, kind of like a balled up woodchuck, and can best be described as looking like a cauliflower with cancer.  This one is not for eating!  Aker’s West Virginia, from Craig, was huge, prolific and delicious.  Velvet Red was a beautiful plant…angora (fuzzy) foliage which was finely dissected with small red cherry tomatoes.  Forget the tomatoes, but this very large, spreading plant was visually gorgeous.  I obtained seeds of Visitation Valley because the name amused me; I thought it might be a perfect place to put a cemetery.  And that’s exactly what I’d do with the small fruit…bury them!  Red Barn was from Joe Bratka and is in the same series as Box Car Willie, Mule Team and Great Divide.  All are excellent producing, excellent tasting reds; I think my favorite is still Box Car Willie.  Dix Doigts de Naples was rather unique.  It had clusters of smallish, longish, bomb shaped fruit with very good taste, and it had one branch which gave yellow cherries.  That’s right, yellow cherry tomatoes.  I haven’t a clue as to what was going on other than a somatic mutation which might have occurred in the field.

A few yellow/orange varieties looked very good.  The best and perhaps the best new on I grew is called Earl of Edgecombe.  It is a medium orange, very meaty, no blemishes, quite prolific, and with a terrific flavor.  It seems the sixth Earl died and the nearest relative was a sheep farmer living in New Zealand, who, when he went back to England to become the seventh Earl, brought these seeds with him.  A winner!  Others I liked were Herman’s Yellow, large orange hearts, Basinga, 12 ounce light yellow, Sunshine, a medium yellow, and Miam Nipa, a small yellow from Thailand.  Other color types included Brin de Muguent, which was a medium amber green with green stripes and very sweet, Sutton White, which was almost as good as White Queen, and Peach Blow Sutton, which was notable for its peach shape and coloration, but I didn’t like the taste.

After several year of being without Marizol Purple, because it crosses so easily for me, I got new seed stock from Joe Bratka and was pleased to have it growing again.  Lovely color and taste.  The best performing tomato in the field was Zogola, a huge ribbed prolific red which I was growing for stock seed.  Others that again performed well were Aunt Ginny’s Purple, Yellow Brandywine, German Red Strawberry (heart), Orange Strawberry (heart), Bulgarian Triumph (clusters of red 3-4 ounce fruit), Olena (pink beefsteak), and OTV Brandywine.  I grew eight plants of the latter, primarily for seed, since I’m listing it with the SSE for the 1997 Yearbook and also plan to reoffer it to all of you.  You’ll remember the description as being a large reddish orange beefsteak type with potato leaf foliage, and many folks said they loved the taste.  I do too, but then I’m no doubt biased!

There are over 100 varieties I haven’t described to you (thank heavens!), but I think I’ve mentioned the best ones.  I’m concerned that I may have overlooked some good ones because I have problems with water pooling at one end of the field and the plants growing there simply didn’t perform.  Actually I lost several plants to water logging because water pooled on four separate occasions following torrential downpours.  Although it was not the best growing year there were some real winners.  And already I;m starting to think of what I’ll be planting next year.  I really do want to concentrate more on making crosses and stabilizing some of the selections seen in growouts from F2 varieties.  It’s not clear how long I’ll have my growing area because it is destined to become a new housing development, so I must plan carefully what I want to accomplish the most, and what my priorities really are.

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Of the varieties that Carolyn discussed, we have a difference of opinion on some of them. She loved Earl of Edgecomb, whereas I found it quite ordinary. Aunt Ginny’s Purple has a great reputation but never showed that high quality side to me. We aligned our opinions on a few - but there are many Carolyn described that I never did grow.

Looking up into the fall colors on our DuPont hike

First frost last night - seed saving complete. Reflections on the 2022 season, and a high level view of seeds saved

tender perennials and a few annuals comfy and safe in the garage

We woke up a few mornings ago to frost on lawns, cars and decks. It was 29 degrees. Most recent mornings have been frosty. So - with respect to the 2022 garden - that’s all, folks! Fortunately, we knew this was coming and the garage has lots of potted up tender perennials that we didn’t want to lose, as well as some started from seed that weren’t situated in the gardens. Among the plants now safe and sound are several tender salvias, a cranesbill, a dahlia, one Greek Columnar basil plant, geraniums, portulaca, bougainvillea, red wave petunia, and other various and sundry varieties started from seed but yet to find a home in the garden.

A few days ago I packaged up the last of the saved seeds - from two plants of the eggplant Midnight Lightning. It was a good year for seed saving, as there was only one complete crop failure (the tomato World War II, which will get another chance next year), and the only variety that I didn’t manage to save seeds from is the stubborn, yet to be released dwarf tomato Dwarf Liz’s Teardrop. It simply will not produce seeds. Though that may be an asset for those who can’t, or don’t wish to, consume tomato seeds, that trait makes it impossible to propagate! I didn’t save seeds from Sun Gold (hybrid cherry tomato) either, since I have some from last year, and playing with the F2 generation plants are not high on my list at the moment.

I provided lots of detail on individual crops in earlier blogs in my 2022 Garden Update tagged posts, so this is more about overall impressions and statistics.

For tomatoes, I have seeds up to T22-85. Of the 85 varieties saved, 65 were grown by me, and the other 20 were from fruits given to me by local Dwarf project volunteers or friends. Some were from seeds I gave out, some from seedlings. It was a fine year - more manageable than last year (with roughly half of the plants), 56 but a more abbreviated harvest window due to earlier onset of disease. We canned 7 quarts of tomatoes, far below the 63 and 56 quarts of our first two gardens here in Hendersonville.

For peppers, I have seeds up to T22-10. I was pleased to have gotten representative fruit - hence seeds - from the Islander project selections (Fire Opal, Carolina Amethyst, Royal Purple, and White Gold), as well as Orange Bell and Chocolate Bell, and a volunteer multicolored hot pepper from the Gemstone line. Everything behaved as it should have with regards to the types of peppers. The one oddity was that the first fruit on all of the bell pepper plants formed fine but rotted before ripening. Cooler weather, after the peak of summer heat, seemed to remedy the issue.

For eggplants, I have seeds up to E22-7, with good representative samples from the Orient Express selection varieties, as well as Mardi Gras and Green Ghost. We roasted a lot of eggplant and froze the results, which will mean some nice recipes in fall and winter.

As far as miscellaneous saved seeds, I have samples from Caramel Chianti basil, Coral Nymph salvia, a Baptisia from the Quechee Inn (Vermont), pink, white and red Swamp Mallow hibiscus and red coccinea hibiscus (frost hit before the white variety of coccinea set seed), Ground Cherry from a friend, Lablab from a friend, and some saved Marbel bush bean.

In retrospect, I was quite pleased with the 2022 garden. We wished for more snap beans (there never seems to be enough), but everything, else was ample. For next year, I think Sugar Snap peas are off the grow list - they aren’t worth it with the main place we can grow them. Melons will make a return - it’s been years since I’ve grown them, and strawbales should give good results. As for which and how many of tomatoes, peppers, eggplants, summer squash, potatoes and beans - that will be determined over the winter.

Right now, I am ready to turn my attention to fulfilling the many seed requests sitting in emails - after that, the Dwarf tomato book. There is no shortage of interesting things to delve into!

more rescued plants keeping our kayaks company. Yes, the garage is a mess!

My tomato collection tour, part 25. Tomato #426 - #475

looking the other way on the Davidson river on our Oct 17 North Slope hike

The number are kind of odd, and when I take a big bite like this (50 numbers), it is typically because of a whole slew sent to me that I didn’t get around to growing out. In this set, many were sent to me by Edmund Brown of Missouri in 1990 - he essentially sent me his whole collection. The envelopes were not in good shape, and germination was generally poor.

Here we go - quite a few of these will have little to no information - and, remember, I didn’t request them - they were sent unasked for.

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the following are all Edmund Brown, Missouri sent varieties.

Tomato #426 - Old German - reportedly a Mennonite heirloom from Virginia - large yellow tomatoes with red swirls. I’ve not grown it.

Tomato #427 - Mr. Underwood’s German Pink - large pink beefsteak type. I don’t know its history and haven’t grown it.

Tomato #428 - Grandma Oliver’s Green - reportedly a 1920s Indiana heirloom, medium sized green fleshed tomatoes with yellow skin. I’ve not grown it.

Tomato #429 - African Beefsteak - large pink beefsteak type, possibly released by Letherman seeds. I don’t know the history and haven’t grown it.

Tomato #430 - Early Rose Globe - donated to the SSE in 1981 by Reverend Morrow, it was in his family since his boyhood (he was born in 1914) and was his mom’s favorite canning variety. It is very possible that this is the same as the Livingston variety Globe, released in 1905. I’ve not grown it.

Tomato #431 - saved variety T90-48 (alternate numbering)

Tomato #432 - saved variety T90-49 (alternate numbering)

Tomato #433 - Valiant - introduced by Stokes in 1937, it is a single plant selection Stokes made from one of their created hybrids. It is a medium sized round red tomato that I’ve yet to grow.

Tomato #434 - Yellow Brimmer - This first appeared in my collection as tomato #28. I grew it - it is a large yellow tomato with red swirls and a peachy, mild, fruity flavor.

Tomato #435 - Moonglow - a medium sized nearly round orange tomato, I don’t know the history, and haven’t grown it.

Tomato #436 - Stone - this historic tomato is a Livingston introduction in 1891. I described it as tomato #88, and grew it.

Tomato #437 - Spark’s Improved Earliana - this is a 1900 release that I’ve not yet grown - it was reportedly the earliest maturing good sized scarlet tomato.

Tomato #438 - Watermelon Beefsteak - this large pink heirloom that reportedly comes from the 1800s - I’ve yet to grow it.

Tomato #439 - Giant Italian Red Heart - already described as tomato #418. I haven’t grown it.

Tomato #440 - White Wonder - a Jung seeds variety from 1922, I’ve yet to grow it.

Tomato #441 - Enterprise - no info available, never grown - still listed by the SSE yearbook.

Tomato #442 - Mexican Yellow - no historical info available but listed in the SSE yearbook - supposedly large and yellow - I’ve not grown it.

Tomato #443 - Sunburst - large yellow/red bicolor tomato, no historical info found, not grown.

Tomato #444 - Phil Tolli’s Roma - I’ve not grown it - seems to be one of the long fruited indeterminate red paste types. History - Phil Tolli brought it from Italy to Canada in 1919 - it then went to Cleveland, then Argentina, then New York - Mike Cannon (SSE) introduced it in the 1979 SSE yearbook.

Tomato #445 - Big Ben - already described as tomato #119.

Tomato #446 - Amish Brandywine - no info available, not grown - assumed to be a large pink, potato leaf variety.

Tomato #447 - Orange - too vague to get any specific background info - not grown.

Tomato #448 - Big White Pink Stripes - I did grow this one in 1991. Low productivity, a few large ivory globe shaped fruit with pink blush, flavor not impressive. It seems to have originated with either Don Branscomb or Glenn Drowns.

Tomato #449 - Azteca 11 - probably originally from Don Branscomb to Ed Brown - no information, never grown, assume it to be a determinate medium sized red.

Tomato #450 - ?? Yellow (couldn’t read the packet) - never grown, no way to know what this is.

Tomato #451 - Out of this World - I grew this in 1991 - notes day nondescript indeterminate medium red globe shape. I’ve no background info at all.

Tomato #452 - ?? yellow (another mystery) - never grown, a mystery forever.

Tomato #453 - Orange Oxheart - never grown, no historical info - although Yellow Oxheart is a 1920s era Livingston variety.

Tomato #454 - Childers - already described as tomato #420, never grown.

Tomato #455 - Orange - name is too random to know for sure what this is, never grown.

Tomato #456 - Three Pound - never grown, no historical info available.

Tomato #457 - Russian Pink - never grown, too vague to know for sure what this is.

Tomato #458 - Hunt Family Favorite - already described as tomato #84, this sample never grown.

Tomato #459 - Potato Leaf White - already described as tomato #235, this sample not grown.

Tomato #460 - DeWeese Streaked - large yellow/red beefsteak listed in the SSE yearbooks nearly from the start - never grown.

Tomato #461 - Amana Orange - A variety developed by Gary Staley (SSE tomato collector), which he named for the Amana colonies in Iowa - not clear what he used for breeding material, this is a large regular leaf orange which I finally grew in 2012 from a different source. I thought it was OK, not great.

Tomato #462 - Nepal - already described as tomato #31

Tomato #463 - Hunt Family Favorite - already described as tomato #84, this sample never grown.

Tomato #464 - Yellow Beefsteak - never grown, name is too vague - could be the one sent to me by Barbara Lund, but just as probably not.

Tomato #465 - Vita 9 - never grown - Don Branscomb variety still with an SSE listing, but no description.

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Here ends the Edmund Brown varieties! How, for some varieties with more interest

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Tomato #466 - Regina’s Yellow - this variety was sent to me by Robert Richardson in 1991. Though this was a favorite of Carolyn’s, I found it to be a typical large fruited yellow/red bicolor with the characteristic mild, fruity, peachy flavor that I just don’t particularly enjoy.

Tomato #467 - Orange Beefsteak #1 - sent to me by SSE member WV CO B in 1991. No historical info was included. It is still listed in the SSE yearbook. I grew it in 1991 - indeterminate, medium sized orange globe, mild flavor. I never regrew it. It is also listed as Tomato #136 - this grew crossed (small red fruit), which I named Caitlin’ Favorite.

Tomato #468 - Orange Beefsteak #2 - also from WV CO B, in 1991, this grew just like OB #1, also in 1991.

Tomato #469 - Homestead - I haven’t grown this yet. It is an older commercial variety bred by the Florida Ag Exp Station in 1952 - named for Homestead, Florida.

Tomato #470 - H 1289 - sent to be in 1991 by B. George, no info on this variety which I’ve not grown.

Tomato #471 - Purple Price - sent to me by Tad Smith of Virginia in 1991, this was quite a nice tomato that I hope to grow next year for the first time since 2004. In communication with Tad, this is the history. In 1987, Tad received a pink fruited potato leaf heirloom from a family in Willis, Virginia. He crossed it with Purple Calabash to create the hybrid - he then selected an F2 with potato leaf foliage and purple fruit. He named this tomato after the place he did the cross - Price Hall at Virginia Tech. He notes that he crossed it with Ozark Pink to make it smoother, but I think that ended up being Pale Perfect Purple. It could be that Purple Price, when sent to me in 1991, was not quite stable. I really enjoyed it, though - in 1991 it grew quite Cherokee Purple-like, except with potato leaf foliage.

Tomato #472 - Jefferson Giant - purchased from Heirloom Seeds in 1991. Reportedly from the late 1800s, this is another variety that has no historical information located in old seed catalogs. I grew it in 1991 - the wispy foliaged, regular leaf indeterminate plants produced good flavored medium to large pink hearts.

Tomato #473 - Hungarian - also from Heirloom Seeds, 1991. Likely considered an older heirloom type, it doesn’t seem to be listed anywhere these days. I grew it in 1991 - it is a regular leaf, large pink fruited indeterminate variety, but I didn’t enjoy the flavor at all, having that musty type of flavor many large pink heirlooms possess.

Tomato #474 - Golden Queen - also from Heirloom Seeds, 1991. I didn’t grow this particular sample, but did eventually get to Golden Queen when I obtained it from the USDA eventually.

Tomato #475 - Goliath - From Heirloom Seeds, 1991. It is supposedly a variety that dates from the late 1800s but I’ve never seen a listing in old seed catalogs. I grew it in 1991 and the regular leaf indeterminate plant produced large, oblate pink tomatoes with very good flavor. I liked it much better than Hungarian.

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The very best tomatoes of this huge set are Regina’s Yellow, Purple Price, Jefferson Giant and Goliath. Most of this collection were not grown, and the seeds are undoubtedly dead.

More North Slope hike color

Off The Vine, Volume 3, Number 2. "Oh, Deer! Craig's 1996 Garden Odyssey" by Craig

View of the Davidson river from a bridge, prior to our hike of the North Slope trail in the Pisgah Forest on October 17.

I really used to do battle with the deer in my Raleigh gardens, and 1996 is the epicenter, date-wise, of the discovery of my tomato gardens by the four legged pests - hence the article title. I was also deep into all sorts of projects - old favorites, newly acquired heirlooms, surprises. This was clearly an ambitious, packed garden! I’ll leave selected comments after the article.

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Oh, Deer!  Craig’s 1996 Garden Odyssey

by Craig

This is my favorite article to write each year. Perhaps it is because I am so far ahead of Carolyn in terms of climate, and I can make her jealous with my early looks at such wonderful tomatoes. No, it can’t be that! (Well, maybe!). What is unusual about this year is how, with both of us being so busy, late this issue is. The garden is now but a fond memory, and we have had our first snow flurries already! What I like most about writing this article, though, is the opportunity it provides to share my experiences with the OTV readers. I really believe that the best way to get gardeners to participate in the preservation of heirlooms is to describe their value. Whether it is a unique and beautiful color, a remarkable size or shape, the flavor, or the history, there are a host of great reasons for growing heirloom tomatoes. Let me describe the highlights and challenges from this year’s garden.

Does anyone know a foolproof way to deter deer from visiting a garden? North Raleigh, where my garden is located, is undergoing a huge boom in construction. It is, or was, a rural area with lots of woods and a large lake. Regrettably, a significant area of the woods is now history, replaced with chain saws, bulldozers, and surveyors. Obviously, there was also a very healthy deer population that is now being displaced. The deer seem to love our neighborhood, and especially, heirloom tomatoes, beans, and peppers! They have made a significant negative impact upon my gardening efforts this year. The deer have an uncanny knack for knowing just what tomato I am most eager to harvest. Perhaps I should have them write this column. Certainly, they had more tasting experience with many of my varieties than I did!

The other story of 1996 was the weather. Unlike my first three years in Raleigh, there was a very appropriate assortment of hot and warm, rain and dry (at least until hurricanes Bertha and Fran hit!) And, the variety has been well spaced and well timed. The result of this good fortune was a healthy garden of high productivity. Yes, there were some unwanted and unexpected tragedies. For the first time, what appears to be Fusarium Wilt forced me to remove some plants before they bore any fruit. But, as a whole, the plants looked good, fruited well, and the results were both interesting and delicious!

The tragedies of 1996 were a supposedly red Italian paste tomato called Niemeyer and a large pink named Middle Tennessee Low Acid. The first was planted in the worst part of my garden. Water tended to puddle in the area, and I was not surprised to see it struggle so badly. The second was the most vigorous plant in the garden when it suddenly lost steam. Even at 8 feet tall it had not set fruit, but was in vigorous bloom. Both plants succombed to the wilt before ripe fruit formed. I was fortunate to pick several ripe fruits from some other plants that eventually passed on from the same problem. Amelia Rose, the first plant in my garden to show signs of trouble, is a productive variety which yields clusters of small, plum shaped pink fruit. There are lots of seeds inside, and the flavor is nice, sweet and juicy. Orange is one of my favorite tomatoes. Obtained from the Russian collection of the Seed Saver’s Exchange, it seems very susceptible to wilt. Even the plants I gave away to friends and family were short lived. Fortunately, it bore well for the short time it was alive. The fruits are very oblate (flat) and about 5 to 10 ounces in weight. The color is a bright yellow (despite the name), and the flavor is delightfully tart, almost lemony. The following also spent most of their short life borrowed time, and were pulled from the garden early. Dwarf Perfection, obtained from the USDA, is a very ordinary red that found itself in sauces and salsa due to its lack of exemplary characteristics. Old Virginia gave me one fruit, but what a fruit it was! Tipping the scales at over 2 pounds, it is the smoothest and most perfect looking huge red tomato of my experience. It is also quite delicious, having a good mild, sweet, old fashioned flavor. Mirabelle, a very small gold cherry tomato, is quite nice, but not outstanding to my taste. It is very productive despite its lack of good health.

Among the non-infected plants, the oddest must be another USDA acquisition, Peach Blow Sutton. The fruits are very round, but have a very dull surface and some suggestion of lumpiness, like an old russet apple. The ripe color is a mottled pink, with some green remaining. Despite the unique appearance, the flavor is surprisingly sweet and good, but the tomato is somewhat hollow, with rather thin walls. I have never grown any of the so-called “peach” tomatoes listed in the SSE annual, but suspect that they look at least a bit like this. My most pleasant surprise of the year is a tomato I have temporarily called Cherokee Brick Red Cross. Last year, one of my Cherokee Purple plants gave brownish, rather than purplish, tomatoes. Assuming that this was a bee-produced hybrid, I expected to get either the purplish or a red tomato with my growout this year. You will recall that this is also seed that was distributed to interested OTV readers, and I gave away several plants as well. Lo and behold, all of the plants gave the brownish fruit! My conclusion is that the plant last grew differently last year was a sport or mutation rather than a cross. I would love to hear from OTV readers who grew plants of this variety. I am hoping that it is a stable variety, because I love the tomato. The color is unique in a large tomato, and the flavor is superb. Does anyone have a good idea for a name?

Other tomatoes that I grew for the first time, and was pleased with, are Sandul Moldovan, Berwick’s German, Red Brandywine, Zogola, Green Zebra, Adelia, Leo Harper’s Yellow, Sojourner, Aunt Ginny’s Purple, and Page German. Sandul Moldovan was one of the more vigorous plants growing in this year’s garden. The resulting fruits were very large, oblate, fairly smooth and pink in color. The flavor was pleasantly mild, sweet and very juicy. Berwick’s German looks very much like a tomato I first grew a few years ago called Shilling Giant. It is medium to quite large, and very variable in shape. Some tomatoes were nearly frying pepper shaped, while others were nearly true heart shaped. The color was scarlet, and the tomatoes had a good balanced flavor and tender texture. There was a tendency for the tomatoes to be a bit hollow. I have had the seed for Red Brandywine for years, originally obtaining it from the Landis Valley Museum in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. It is one of the absolute best red tomato I have grown. The shape was nearly globe, and they were quite large in size. Inside was found the classic tomato interior, with many irregular seed chambers. The flavor was delicious and truly rich and old-fashioned. It reminded me of the variety Nepal in many ways. Adelia was very similar, but just a bit smaller, perhaps. Those classic round red tomatoes were nothing like Zogola, however. A truly monstrous tomato, with lots of lumps, creases, folds and a tad of blossom scar, it grew quite large. Deep scarlet in color, it was very sweet, balanced and juicy, and just another great red tomato. Green Zebra was a pleasant surprise, in that it is a visually beautiful and unique tomato that just happens to taste great. Unripe fruits are light green 3 to 4 ounce globes with jagged darker green stripes. When it ripens, the pale green background turns to a warm amber color. The inside remains bright green, and the flavor is snappy and fresh. It is a wonderful tomato with which to make salsa! I have had the seed for Leo Harper’s Yellow for a long time, but finally decided to grow it this year. It is not high yielding, but produces very large, nearly round deep yellow fruit. The flavor is reminiscent of Yellow Brandywine, with a nice tartness to go along with the fruity sweetness. Aunt Ginny’s Purple is just another great potato leaf pink beefsteak type tomato, similar in appearance and flavor to Brandywine. Page German and Sojourner are large red tomatoes. The first is very oblate and smooth, the second of variable shapes leaning toward hearts. Both have well balanced, true old fashioned tomato flavor.

Repeat varieties that performed well again are Golden Queen, Black Krim (as long as it is well ripened), Price’s Purple, Coyote, Gregori’s Altai, Azoychka, Aunt Ruby’s Green, Dorothy’s Green, Cherokee Purple, Yellow Brandywine, Polish, Giant Syrian, Gallo Plum, Lillian’s Yellow Heirloom, and Brandywine. I described the performance of most of these in previous articles. It was good to reaffirm that the Golden Queen grown from the USDA seed is indeed not the same as that being offered by numerous seed companies, but rather the true Livingston introduction. Rather than being orange and medium sized on short plants, the real thing is bright yellow with a pale pink blush, grows on very vigorous tall plants, and has a delicious sweet flavor. Black Krim has always been an attention getter for its dark purplish pigmentation. The color seems to darken as the tomato ripens. I did not enjoy the flavor when I last grew it, but well ripened specimens from this year’s garden have made me change my mind about this. Now that I have grown both in my garden, clearly despite the similar sizes and coloring, Price’s Purple and Cherokee Purple are distinctly different, aside from the obvious plant characteristics (Price is potato leafed, Cherokee is regular leafed). The former is more oblate, has a more ridged shoulder, and is significantly milder in flavor. Both are fine tomatoes, however. Coyote, which is actually considered a weed in parts of Mexico, is certainly something quite different. The very vigorous and productive plants produced very small ivory colored tomatoes that had a very big flavor, nearly of beefsteak tomato intensity. When very ripe, the blossom end is a translucent ivory, and the shoulders are pale yellow. One of my longtime favorite tomatoes, and the best of the early influx of Russian varieties, is Gregori’s Altai.  Growing nearly globular in shape and prone to radial cracking, the interior is very solid with the seed chambers at the periphery. The flavor is very, very sweet, almost surprisingly so. Giant Syrian is a very large red heart shaped tomato with excellent flavor and yield. Gallo Plum is a red pepper shaped sauce tomato, like Opalka.  Some of the fruit were over 6 inches long and weighed a pound. Though Carolyn disputes its reputation, Brandywine again won the award as best tasting tomato in the garden. The yield this year, like all of my pink potato leaf varieties, was poor, unfortunately. I must get her to try the strain that I am growing to see if I can change her mind!

Disappointments included Plum Lemon, Whittemore, Snowball, Elfie, German, and Eckert Polish (the last two obviously crossed, being very small red tomatoes instead of large fruited). Despite a beautiful color and remarkable resemblance to a lemon in shape, I found Plum Lemon to be virtually flavorless, and not at all solid and meaty. Whittemore was remarkable for its large, pink, oblate fruit, but it had an odd cooked flavor that I occasionally find in some of the large pink tomatoes (Sabre, Dinner Plate, Una Hartsock’s Beefsteak, and Magellan Burgess Purple come to mind) and do not much care for. Snowball was beautiful to look at, being over a pound and very oblate - nearly flat - with some catfacing on the bottom. The color was the truest white that I have yet seen. Alas, it suffered from blandness, not rare for white tomatoes. Elfie is a pretty tomato, nearly round and a pale apricot color (the orange side of yellow), but the flavor simply does not excite. The bees are obviously responsible for creating chaos with German and Eckert Polish. I picked red golf balls instead of softballs! By the way, another USDA acquisition, Chartreuse Mutant, gave me small red tomatoes!

Many tomatoes that I grew came on late, did not yield very well, or were not memorable in quality. Among these are ManyelBrown’s Large Red (actually a large pink), Honey, Arlene’s Poland, Early Annie, Olena, Abraham Lincoln, Yellow Beauty (a bright yellow USDA variety with bland flavor), Robinson’s, Indian Reservation, Soldacki, Bisignano #2 potato leaf, German Pink, Anna Russian (the worst it has ever performed for me), and Mennonite. Two red/yellow bicolors, Selwin Yellow and Regina’s Yellow, were planted very late; the seed was very old and took extensive potassium nitrate treatment before germination occurred. The varieties look promising, and will be regrown next year. A few tomatoes grown for the first time were quite good and were probably underrated by me because they all came ripe at once. These were Deep Yellow German, Taps, Curry, Plumsteak, German Heirloom, Druzba, Rasp Large Red, Hungarian Heirloom, Kellogg’s Breakfast, Bridge Mike’s, Russian 117, Aker’s West Virginia, Penny, Russian, and Guiseppe’s Big Boy. Several were large pink potato leaf types (Taps, German Heirloom, and Guiseppe’s Big Boy) of excellent flavor but low yields. Among the red tomatoes were two of globe shape (Druzba, medium sized, and Rasp Large Red, very large), a huge oblate (Aker’s West Virginia), and a monstrous heart shape (Russian 117). Penny and Plumsteak were very large, pink and heart shaped. Curry, Hungarian Heirloom, Bridge Mike’s, and Russian were all very large and regular leaved. Of the two gold tomatoes, Deep Yellow German was medium and globe shaped, and Kellogg’s Breakfast very large and oblate.

Finally, here is report on a few other experiments conducted my garden in 1996. The growout of Sun Gold F4 potato leaf selection resulted in all potato leaf plants. The cherry tomatoes on the plant were red orange in color and very good tasting, though not as sweet as the gold colored hybrid from which it originated. My experience with Madara potato leaf selection is also positive. Again, all seedlings were potato leaf. The vigorous plant produced slightly oval shaped bright yellow cherry tomatoes that were quite solid, and with a good sweet flavor. It reminded me of Galina in texture and flavor, but was not quite as round as that tomato. Both of these tomatoes look to be stabilized potato leaf varieties, which is unusual in cherry tomatoes. To those of you who tried the Sun Gold seeds, please let me know of your experiences with them this year. My growout of an F2 plant from the Price’s Purple X Purple Perfect cross was also successful. All seedlings were potato leaf, which was expected (both parents are potato leaf). What was amazing was the number of blossoms on each cluster, and the number of blossoms on each cluster that actually set fruit! The tomatoes were about 8 ounce, slightly oblate and purplish in color. They were intermediate in size and shape between the two parents. The flavor was excellent.

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Lots of memories from this garden - some positive, some not so much so. 1996 was the year of Hurricane Fran - I believe it is the season where Keith Mueller and I met, during a tour of my garden by Mary Peet’s hort class (NC State). This was also the year of my discovery of Cherokee Chocolate (named Cherokee Brick Red cross in this article). From the tomatoes described above, I really must revisit a number of them. It is time to regrow Orange, Old Virginia, Sandul Moldovan, Zogola, and Gregori’s Altai, in particular.

Fall colors seen during the North Slope hike.

Off The Vine Volume 3, Number 2. "C & C's Corner" by Carolyn

All that remains in mid October - peppers and eggplants in straw bales

The end is getting closer. This is the first article from V3 #2 - the last two issues of Volume 3 have 6 articles each (of which this is the first), and there are two articles in never-seen, incomplete Volume 4, Number 1 - the end of Off The Vine. Doing the math/calendar, that means 14 articles remain. Publishing these weekly, that would take me to mid January to finish my project of ensuring all Off The Vine articles are republished on this blog. I can certainly speed up a bit so that all are squeezed into this calendar year - the job will be completed by the time that we turn the page into 2023.

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C and C’s Corner

by Carolyn Male

Happy Holidays, everyone!  We never expected to be this late with this issue, but sometimes “stuff” happens.  And when it happens to Craig and I at pretty much the same time, there’s nothing we can do about it.  I apologize to those of you who renewed and I did not get your checks deposited in a timely manner.  And I apologize to those of you who are new subscribers for not getting this issue out on time.  I held your subscriptions, assuming that this issue would be sent out in October.  I was wrong!

A word of explanation is in order.  My mother declined rapidly over the summer...mental deterioration (not Alzheimer’s), not physical.  It became apparent that she could no longer live in the home where she had lived for 55 years, even though we had aides coming in each day.  She lashed out at me day after day.  Of course I was at her home every day in the summer because that’s where my gardens are.  I would go home each night consumed with guilt, to the point where I was often unable to do anything.  It was terrible.  I know that many of you have been through this, but it was a first for me.  Mom was transferred to an Adult home on October 7th, and that weekend we almost lost her twice.  She lapsed into a diabetic coma within 48 hours.  Although she had been a well regulated diabetic, her diabetes went completely out of control.  In the meantime I was trying to sort through stuff in her home.  Thus I was working 7 days a week, week after week, while trying to keep up with my academic obligations, and I’m still doing it now, in early December.  For those of you who are new, I am a college teacher…Microbiology and related subjects.  Quite frankly, it has been the most stressful time of my life…so far!  Ironically, and wonderfully, Mom loves the adult home, and her glucose level is slowly stabilizing.

At the time I was having my problems, Craig was, too.  Again, for our new subscribers, Craig has his PhD in Chemistry and has a very responsible position as Pilot Plant Manager at GlaxoWellcome Pharmaceuticals in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina.  Work was very stressful for him and he also had to make several trips to London for various conferences.  Coupled with the damage that hurricane Fran inflicted on his property (mainly downed trees, no damage to the house), he too was essentially working 7 days a week.  And he also found it difficult to find quality time to spend with his wife and 2 daughters.

He was able to send me copies for the enclosed articles in early December.  This is the first time that neither of us has had time to do our usual interview and it’s the first time that we don’t have guest articles.  Hopefully the pressure will lessen and we’ll have the next issue to you in February, as usual.  This is important because we have some great new seeds to share with you.  But more about that later.

In Craig’s article about the Internet/Tomatoes, he refers to my finding out that Big Boy has one heirloom parent.  It’s a story worth repeating here.  In late spring I received a letter from an OTV reader in the Midwest who suggested that one of Big Boy’s parents was an heirloom, stated the name, and was wondering if seeds were available.  He told me that in the 1940’s Burpee was buying the rights to various heirlooms and paying people he knew about $140 for exclusive rights to this heirloom.  I called Burpee, and after several referrals, reached Dr. Oved Shiffris didn’t remember the name of the heirloom, although he readily stated that a pink heirloom was one parent, but in a later phone call he confirmed that the story was true.  I suppose he had to check his notes.  He also confirmed that Better Boy has the same pink heirloom parent as Big Boy.  Dr. Shifriss told me Big Boy’s other parent also.  Unfortunately, no seeds are available for that pink heirloom because it is used, every year, to produce hybrid seed of Big Boy.  And he told me many wonderful stories about David Burpee and the exciting times in the early years of hybridizing.  Dr. Shifriss spent most of his career at Rutgers, where he made many significant discoveries concerning squash.  The yellow precocious gene that you see described for yellow summer squash was one of his many contributions; basically it masks the greening that summer squash get following cucumber mosaic virus infection.  Dr. Shifriss is now in his mid-80s and this summer, while doing research work on squash, he suffered heart problems and had to have a quad bypass, which was followed by blood clot problems.  I have not had a more recent update.  National Gardening also mentioned about Big Boy having an heirloom parent in an article published a few years ago.  Why the interest?  Read Craig’s article.  There are those who denounce heirlooms and rave about Big Boy and Better Boy, believing them to be hybrids with no heirloom parentage.  Surprise!

The Disease Project didn’t get off the ground.  I received less than 15 responses from folks who wanted to participate.  I sent each of them a copy of the disease manual from Ciba Geigy and a letter stating that we wouldn’t go forward with so few participants.  Right now I don’t know if we will go ahead with the project this summer, or not.  I’ll let you know in the February issue.  The Cornell Cooperative Extension Service did do a disease survey of the 200 or so varieties I grew this year.  I had planted Celebrity, Jet Star and Pik Red as hybrid comparisons.  In a summer I’d characterize as the worst summer I’ve ever seen for tomatoes, many of the heirlooms held their own nicely, many were disease prone and many were better with the hybrids.  Perhaps on some later date I will report on this.

Lastly, in the next issue we will try to have several different F2 crosses available for you to try.  There are several new ones from Steve Draper, which look quite interesting.  A presumed cross between Brandywine (pink) and Big Rainbow (bicolor) sent to me by Stanley Zubrowski turned out to not be a cross; all progeny were bicolors.  A few folks reported back to us about the F2 crosses they grew this past summer, and in the next issue I’ll share those results so you can better select which seeds you want to request.  And of course we’ll also have OTV Brandywine, which did well for several growers.  Pat Millard has agreed to once again do the seed distribution (thank you, Pat, so very much) for us.  I’ll have all of the details in the next issue.  And of course we also list commercial seed sources for you in that issue, as always.

Again, sorry we’re late with this issue, but several times we’ve shared with you that our professional obligations have first priority.  And when personal problems arise, there’s nothing to be done except to get an issue out when we can.

And Craig and I hope all of you have a wonderful 1997 gardening year.

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As always, Carolyn packs a lot of information into her typical C & C column - including various personal things and progress (or lack thereof) on projects. Enjoy - there are not many of these remaining!

Country girl mum is still the star of the show in mid Oct

Off The Vine Volume 3, Number 1. "Craig’s Selected Questions: An Interview with Rob Johnston, Founder of Johnny’s Selected Seeds" by Craig

Fall color and lower Graveyard Falls along the Blue Ridge in early October

I’d forgotten that I interviewed someone who has become a good friend - Rob Johnston, founder of one of my favorite seed companies, Johnny’s Selected Seeds.

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Craig’s Selected Questions:  An Interview with Rob Johnston, Founder of Johnny’s Selected Seeds

 by Craig

When I started gardening in the early 1980’s, spring meant a trip to the local nursery to buy whatever they carried in the familiar 6-paks. After a few years of seeing the same old varieties growing in my garden, I entered the phase of starting my plants from seeds. Among the large selection of seed catalogs that arrived in the mail, the one that really caught my eye was from a small company in Maine called Johnny’s Selected Seeds. It was evident in reading through their catalog that the people who ran the company were concerned with quality on many levels, from the selection of seeds that they offered to the informative and comprehensive growing information. Everything that I ordered from JSS was wonderful, be it Nepal tomato, Gold Crest bell pepper, E-Z Pick bush bean, or Rosalita lettuce. That was 10 years ago, and I am pleased to say that unlike the latest hot restaurant that declines in quality and gets lazy with success, JSS just keeps getting better and better as time goes by.

A few years ago they became one of the first high profile seed company to offer an excellent selection of heirloom tomatoes. Along with popular open-pollinated varieties Kotlas, Oregon Spring, Bellstar, Whippersnapper, Washington Cherry, Taxi, Gold Dust and Gold Nugget are such delicious and interesting varieties as Pruden’s Purple, Cherokee Purple, German, Debarao, Giant Paste, Great White, Valencia, Wonder Light, Striped German, Brandywine, Yellow Brandywine, Cuostralee, and Matt’s Wild Cherry. JSS has also offered Anna Russian and Tiger Tom in the past, and they may reappear in future catalogs. One just gets the sense that they love what they do there, and want to do it continually better, to serve the gardening public.

There would not be a Johnny’s Selected Seeds without its founder, Rob Johnston. Rob and I have been chatting occasionally over the phone for at least 5 years. We cover a lot of ground in our phone conversations. Although the initial cause for the call is something related to gardening, we often stray into other areas of common interest. Over the last few years, we have come to realize that we share interests in, among other things, weather, maps, and music, along with our obvious passion for heirloom tomatoes.  Rob is a willing audience for testing everything that Carolyn and I sent his way. And, much to our delight, a good number of our favorites can be found in the JSS catalog. Obviously, Rob has good taste! Since Carolyn and I are so fond of Johnny’s Selected Seeds, we felt that Rob would be an excellent choice for an interview. So, armed with a list of questions, Rob and I spent some time on the phone chatting about tomatoes, seed companies, and life in general.

Rob was born in Upper Darby, Pennsylvania, in 1950. His dad hails from West Virginia, and his mom is from Ohio. When Rob was nine years old, his family and he moved to Massachusetts. He attended the University of Massachusetts, initially seeking a mathematics major. However, since this was in the period of 1969/1970 (a very socially enlightening time for our country), it is no surprise that Rob did not maintain an interest in math. As you can probably guess, it was then that he began to develop an interest in agriculture. After trying unsuccessfully to gain admission to Cornell to follow up on this new interest, he selected a different road to accomplish his goals.

Rob then became involved with food cooperatives, helping to start the Yellow Sun co-op in Amherst, Massachusetts. Rob also spent some time in Providence, Rhode Island, working in a natural food store started by his then girlfriend’s mother. A supplier to the Yellow Sun co-op had a small vegetable farm in New Hampshire, and Rob (after cutting his hair) moved there in 1972. It was then that he became interested in the seed business. The farm supplied a vegetable broker in New York who had an interest in particular and uncommon types of produce. Seeds for such ethnic or foreign vegetable varieties were hard to come by at that time.

Stimulated by such requests, Rob spent evenings developing a network of seeds. He went to Boston libraries in the evenings, reading the international trade directories and consulted with various countries. In this way, Rob familiarized himself with what was available for seeds outside of the United States. At the end of the summer of 1973, Rob once more moved in with his parents in Massachusetts. It was there that he published Johnny’s Selected Seed’s first seed catalog. The catalog was written at the farm, and printed by a friend in Boston. It also included hand drawings (by a New Hampshire friend). In this first catalog were seeds from a few foreign suppliers, as well as some family heirlooms, his orientation even back then being toward non-hybrid varieties. That first year, Rob realized sales of about seven thousand dollars. Rob moved to Dixmon, Maine in 1974 to establish the headquarters of his new company, and Johnny’s has been in Maine ever since, later moving to its current location in Albion.

I asked Rob about his first contact or awareness of the Seed Saver’s Exchange. He read to me parts of a letter from November 30, 1976, that he received from Kent Whealy, director of SSE. Kent asked Rob to mention the SSE (known then as the True Seed Exchange) in his seed catalog. The True Seed Exchange had 200 members in those days. Rob feels that the greatest value of the SSE as it currently exists is in the network of gardeners, the linking together of amateur enthusiasts. Rob himself occasionally offers seeds through the SSE. He mentioned a few ideas of improving the Winter SSE Yearbook. He suggested bold facing new information in any given year. This would certainly make it easier for SSE members to easily see the new seeds in the year’s listings. When asked if seed saving hurts companies that concentrate on non hybrid varieties, he replied no. Any activity that builds enthusiasm for gardening should be supported. For example, even those who save seeds from year to year need gardening supplies, books, and seeds of varieties that they do not maintain.

Rob, who still owns JSS, currently spends about 20% of his time on management responsibilities. Naturally, this is not the favorite part of his job. He spends the balance of his time on research and production. He feels that JSS is very ambitious concerning product development, and wants the company to continually strive to offer customers better seeds and better methods. At JSS, there is excellent staff stability, and good morale right now, though he admits that such things can be cyclical. Since delegating the presidency of the company in 1992 to another staff member, Rob feels that things are going very well there indeed. He is the first to admit that the public relations part of the job is not his specialty. He still likes to get his hands dirty!

JSS focuses upon such crops as squash, pumpkins, and peppers. These are species in which a modest size operation can make a real impact, in Rob’s opinion. There are also smaller projects ongoing with other crops, such as tomatoes. I asked Rob about his interest in heirloom tomatoes, and why JSS is carrying a selection of them in the catalog. Rob has been maintaining a collection of heirlooms since the late 1970’s, when people began to send seeds of various varieties to JSS for testing. He feels that he was late off the mark with heirlooms, as he thought that they were too primitive, inconsistent in performance, and matured too late in Maine. What he has found however is that they frequently grow very well there, and certainly have been a success in terms of sales. JSS rotates heirlooms in and out of the catalog. Brandywine is very popular, Cherokee Purple OK, but Anna Russian, Cuostralee, and Great White are tough sells. Nepal is actually out of the catalog as well.

I asked Rob about his hobbies, and he told me about his love of contra dancing, biking, skiing, and playing the guitar. As to his favorite tomatoes, he replied that he likes small tomatoes with lots of flavor, especially processing or sauce tomatoes. He particularly enjoys the new (to his catalog) plum tomato Debarao. He did admit relishing the flavor of the large heirloom beefsteak types, such as Brandywine. It is tough when they come in so late, however. Most of the popular SSE heirlooms do not ripen in Maine until late August, and are at their best in September. Rob and I have also frequently talked about the relative strengths and weakness of open pollinated vegetables, in comparison with hybrids. His opinion is that for self pollinated crops like peppers and tomatoes, the phenomenon of “hybrid vigor” is not as significant as for crops such as squash and corn. His belief is that the major advantage of hybridization is inclusion of disease resistance, as well as improved adaptability and consistency of performance year to year and over a wider geographic area that is provided by the hybrid vigor. For home gardeners who are not as concerned about concentrated fruit sets or ability to machine harvest, hybrids are certainly not mandatory. He did remind that heirlooms can be very variable season to season, however. A variety that is spectacular one year may be a near total failure the following season. Hybrids may not be as spectacular in terms of either success or failure.

Rob has been trying for years now to get Carolyn and me up to Maine to visit. The thought of helping Rob and the JSS staff taste through their tomato trials is exciting indeed. Up to now, work and family responsibilities have prevented me from taking the trip. Carolyn has similar issues with her teaching responsibilities. The year is definitely coming, however, when you will find me in Maine some September. Somehow, I have a feeling that Rob and I would spend some time with the tomatoes, then head off to play the guitar together!

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Rob and I maintain a friendship. We got to meet at an SSE campout and have regular email and phone conversations. JSS is now employee owned, and Rob and Janika are pondering where to move next - it seems the Maine experience is coming to an end. We still talk gardening - I sent him a sample of Marbel bean a few years ago, and he now is maintaining it.

Summery Million Bells flower on a fall day

Off The Vine Volume 3, Number 1. “Off The Vine Disease Project” by Carolyn

The view from Devil’s Courthouse mountain, which Sue and I hiked to on October 6.

This is a very cool article by Carolyn - I completely forgot that she embarked on this sort of project.

Off The Vine Disease Project

Carolyn Male

A few months ago I got an email from Joe Imhof, one of our subscribers, who basically, but very nicely, challenged us to put up or you know what with regard to disease tolerance and susceptibility of heirloom tomatoes.  Joe knew that we didn’t want to deal with individual diseases but felt that assessing tolerance in heirlooms would be of great benefit to many people who are now growing heirlooms or would like to.  He is absolutely right and I thank him for being the impetus behind this project.  Many of us who grow lots of heirlooms have always known that potato leaf types are more tolerant than others to early blight and septoria leaf spot.  And I should mention that the correct term is disease tolerance, not resistance; no variety, be it open pollinated or hybrid, is totally resistant to any pathogen (according to most of the tomato pathologists I’ve talked to recently).  The type of information we can obtain should be of importance to those companies selling heirloom tomato seed, Seed Savers Exchange members, individual growers and magazines that carry heirloom tomato-related stories.  I called a few folks to feel them out about this project and there was uniform encouragement.  I must tell you about my chat with Kent Whealy at SSE.  I called to see if they would be interested in participating and Kent said that because of disease build up they were opening new ground this year and he wasn’t expecting much disease.  To which I responded that I was sorry to hear that!  I couldn’t believe I said that..I guess it all depends on what your perspective is on a given issue.

When I mention that potato leaf varieties are more tolerant of early blight I can document that fact.  In early 1993 Jon Traunfeld of Baltimore, MD called me and asked if I had any varieties of heirloom tomatoes that I thought were especially disease resistant (whoops!...tolerant).  I mentioned about the potato leaf types and sent him seed of Olena, a very nice Ukrainian pink.  I believe the field study was done through the Master Gardeners program; the farmer coopters are listed as Marty and Eric Rice of Frederick County, MD.  Jon is with the Univ. of Maryland Extension service and administers the Master Gardener program for Maryland as part of his duties.  The following information is taken from the report Jon sent me.  The two objectives of the study were to (1) determine the relative susceptibility of four tomato cultivars to early blight and (2) compare the early blight susceptibility of potato leaf varieties to regular leaf varieties.  The four varieties chosen for study were:  1.  Pik Red, a determinate hybrid commercial variety known to be fairly susceptible to early blight; 2.  Early Cascade, an indeterminate hybrid, early and small fruited with “purported” early blight tolerance; 3.  Brandywine; indeterminate, large fruited, potato leaf, and 4.  Olena; indeterminate, large fruited and potato leaf.

There were six randomized blocks, each containing 24 plants, for a total of 144 plants.  Spacing was two feet within the rows and six feet between rows.  The stake and weave method of support was used and a straw mulch was laid down.  The Rices’ farm is a certified organic farm with no sprays or fertilizers used.  As can be seen in Table one, the plants were observed five times during the summer to determine the percent of leaves affected with symptoms and the percent leaf defoliation.  The data very strongly show that Early Cascade, the hybrid variety with supposed tolerance to early blight, was the most susceptible.  It’s an early tomato so that might be expected.  Pik Red is not an early tomato and it suffered nearly as much as Early Cascade.  Look at the August 10 and August 25 data.  Do you now believe?  The statistical data are included for those folks who are interested.  All good field studies should have a known susceptible variety (Pik Red), a known tolerant variety (Early Cascade), and test varieties (Brandywine and Olena).  All good field studies should treat the data statistically.  This was a well designed field study.  A brief summary of the results was reported in Organic Gardening and I panicked a bit because Olena was mentioned and at that time I was the only person on the face of the earth who had seeds for that variety.

When I read a catalog description of Brandywine this year which said that it was susceptible to disease as were most heirlooms, you can imagine my response.  And yes, there are regular leaf varieties which are tolerant to early blight also.  The only person to report disease status for some heirlooms is Jeff McCormack at Southern Exposure Seed Exchange; just read his tomato pages!

We can’t do what Jon Traunfeld and his group did.  No one expects you to do percentages, etc.  And we’re interested in many other diseases than early blight.  And we can’t do this the way it should be done, in terms of each of you having known susceptible and tolerant varieties for each disease to be studied.  And we can’t control your seed source for each variety.  That’s an important factor because a number of diseases can be seedborne, such as bacterial canker, bacterial sport and anthracnose, to name a few.  Dr. Helene Dillard at Cornell has studied the effect of fermentation of seeds on the elimination of pathogens and found that while the total amount of pathogens is lessened, they are not totally removed.  Commercial seed companies usually do a triphosphate treatment of tomato seeds, but that’s pretty specific for Tobacco Mosaic Virus, which is not a major pathogen of tomatoes.  Dr. Dillard and others, whom I’ll mention in the materials to be sent to participants, have helped me generate lists of the most important pathogens for different parts of the country.  Right now I’m in envy of California – you poor disease deprived folks!

Here’s the game plan.  If you are growing at least two plants each of at least five varieties we’d love to have you participate.  Please send me a long self-addressed envelope with 78 cents worth of postage.  The first 100 responders will get, as an extra incentive, a very small field guide to tomato diseases published by Ciba-Geigy.  The guide is for farmers, has some excellent pictures, and is basically a promotional for Ridomil, one of their products.  I’m indebted to Joyce Soltis, a Ciba-Geigy representative, for the donation of 100 of these guides.  If we get more than 100 participants and I can’t send you a field guide I’ll assume you’re making a 46 cent donation to the cause because I just don’t have it in me to take the time to write out checks for 46 cents.  I’ll send you instructions and data sheets.  Using your own knowledge of the diseases listed for your area, and/or the guidance of the field guide, fill in what you can in terms of tolerance and susceptibility.  If you don’t feel confident about certain diseases, don’t assess them.  Another excellent guide is called “Identifying Diseases of Vegetables” by MacNab, Sherf and Springer.  It costs about $18 and is available from Southern Exposure Seed company and Johnny’s Selected Seeds (addresses in the February Off The Vine).

Please participate.  This summer we’ll collect as much data as we can, and then refine our methods for next year, and maybe open it up to others.  Jon Traunfeld is pretty sure that he can get the cooperation of the Master Gardeners program in the US, and there are other ways of soliciting input from others.  But let’s us do the initial work to see how it goes.  I need help!  I have no experience with computer data-based software.  Is there someone out there who would volunteer to computerize the data in a meaningful fashion?  If so (pretty please) email me at malec@rosnet.strose.edu and we’ll chat.

I’ve got the tomato field guides now and should finish my research work with tomato pathologists around the country in a few weeks, after I get this issue of Off The Vine mailed.  So please send me a long SASE with 78 cents postage (my address is in the masthead on page 2) and I’ll mail you the materials in early July.  And I’ll be checking my email to see if we have a volunteer tomato tabulator!

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As you will read in a future article, Carolyn got very few takers, so the project never got off the ground. But - this is a great early example of citizen science with respect to a garden project. The lack of volunteers is also a testament to how challenging it is to do this sort of thing.

Sue and Koda in the midst of the hike, passing beneath a tunnel of trees